Interview - Barney
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A frank political discussion of the current
state of the world as Barney lays out some heavy
opinions that shed some insight into the politically
charged ways of Napalm Death
Sean: Just in
general, with all the things going on right now in the
world...what's your take on it?
Barney: "I think um... I think
certain people are behaving unchecked, you know what
I mean. I think that...I don't think people fully realize
exactly what would happen if George Bush is allowed to
do what he wants to do. I think people don't fully
realize the consequences of what could happen you know?
It just seems like this whole Iraq situation has come
out of nowhere, and as much as people like me get shouted
down for trying to find the truth, screw the truth you know,
it just seems that George Bush just wants to do what his
father didn't finnish you know? It almost seems like an
ego thing you know? it's base level..."
Sean: He's basically taking the
same route you know? His whole approve rating was down,
what's the best way to try to win a re-election?
Barney: "Exactly, because there isn't
anything really strong I think, that the Republican
party can win on. I know they've got those tax plans
set, but those are only for the rich you know? They're
not for the poor. And obviously the old thing that still
rings true is that there is alot of oil over there that
the United States kinda needs because the natural resources
in Europe are only going to last for so many years."
Sean: I think they kinda think if
they're controling the whole thing that the world's
economy will catch up to what our's should be and
everyone will be taken care of
Barney: "On a serious level, I
think it's about time that instead of trying to enforce
itself further that it step...the American
administration bullshit seekers step back and try to
understand exactly why people have a problem with
America's administration, with the foreign policy."
Sean: Since you've been on tour
during this whole time over here, since it's been going
on, have you been able to watch some of the news?
Barney: "Yeah, I do, I mean
obviously like CNN is very readily available. Of course
I don't always think that what is on the news is black
and white by any stretch."
Sean: Well, more or less I like
the fact that CNN does get to talk to, not really the
Prime Ministers, but the negotiators, they get a
different take and it's kinda like the first time anyone
has come out and been like, look what your country is
doing to the rest of the world.
Barney: "Yeah...it is hard to
trust though because I mean, CNN in the past has been
particularly biased towards the Republican party. Then
there are other people that say otherwise so..."
Sean: Well, it is owned by Ted
Barney: "Yeah, of course, so there
Sam: Anything to do with AOL is
Barney: "Yeeeah, AOL I mean, there
are certain things I probably need to research a little
bit, there's so much information."
Sean: How do you look at your own
country, like Tony Blair?
Barney: "I think...the vibe that
I get is most people in England, and as has been
indicated by the polls, is that most people in England
do not want the war. What's the point? They don't want
Tony Blair to stick so closely to George Bush, people
just think he's..."
Sean: For a little while there
you guys seemed like you were going a little astray
from that the Republican party wanted every country
to be like.
Barney: "Yeah, well, ultimately
Tony Blair is buried in on the fact that he's a Labor
Party candidate, which if you look at it in basic terms
essentially the tone of the party that Tony Blair
represents is ment to be, even though it's not the
same as what it was, it's ment to be a left, or leaning
party. Whereas obviously George Bush is a conservative
Republican, he's quite far right you know? Alot of
people in England cannot see why Tony Blair should
shift so closely over to that side. He goes against
the fundamanetals of what the Labor Party is supposed
to be about, so alot of people are kinda curious about
that. The hardcore, the bedrock of voters in England
are working class."
Sean: You figure if he's trying to
reboost the economy, why all of a sudden he shifted
the exact opposite
Barney: "One thing that amused me
the other day was, I think George Bush had gone to see
some foreign guy and there was a 2 pronged talk about
the war on terrorism, and oil. So, you figure with the
combination of that, the conversation would go as
follows: Are you going to help me in the war on
terrorism? Well, we're not sure. Well, we'll give you
this this oil if you do. So, you know there's oil
rights, aid, money, etc."
Sean: That's the one thing that
scares me, if we do go in and take control of that, it's
one step closer to turning everything into a giant
company, you know? If you don't follow our exact
guidelines, well then, why should we help you do
anything? I donno if you follow what's going on with
Canada right now, they're kinda liberal on marijuana
Sam: They're being threatened by
Barney: "Yeah, I know I heard
about that, actually Devin (Strapping Young Lad), it
struck me wow, you're Canadian, and he was telling me
about that stuff.
Sean: They're trying to blame them
right now for the lack of border control. In general,
when you think of Canada you don't think of them as
having a big army to control any borders.
Barney: "Yeah, of which they
probably don't. I mean Canada are quite within their
rights as an independent country so just tell America
to go fuck yourself you know?"
Sam: That's what I'm hoping
Barney: "Well, Canada are um...
It was some little speech George Bush made not so
long ago that said, you know, our resources in America
aren't going to last forever and we need what Canada
has and we will have it. You know, he basically said
Sean: The one thing that scares
me the most about his whole party is, normally when
you have a president in there, some people in the party
are still their own thinkers, but it seems like for
once everybody is all lined up and like, let's just go
get the money and who cares what's gonna happen.
Barney: "Yeah, I was watching
that guy Ralph Nader on the television, I like him
alot, actually I must say I do like him alot."
Sam: Voted for him in the last
Sean: Unfortunately he missed his
time back in the late 70's
Barney: "But his time could come
again, you know, I think if there's enough interest in
his campaign I think...alot of people voted for him
in the last election."
Sean: Most of the media around
here doesn't really cover how much of the other parties'
vote there is, they bring up that you're taking away
from whatever party could win.
Sam: They ignore every candidate
except Republicans or Democrats
Barney: "Well, that's the thing,
and that was the point that Ralph Nader made the other
day was that they need to look at the way things go.
This whole 2 party system needs to be readjusted so
it includes a broad base of parties."
Sean: Here in Massachusetts in
the run for governor, there were 5 people running and
3 of them weren't getting any press until finally
people started protesting.
Barney: "Something needs to happen,
at a central government level. The pressure need to be
brought to bear to make the situation better because
there's no alternative anymore."
Sean: Did you happen to catch
any of Nelson Mandella's speech about what's going on?
Barney: "I didn't.."
Sean: He's the first person to
step up besides the leader of North Korea and say that
we're the most evil people in the world right now. And
coming from somebody that's like him, this is the time
when you have to step back and say, wow. Unfortunately,
too many people are into the, wake up and go to work,
I'll catch the evening news thing.
Barney: "I mean, that's the thing,
I hate to generalize but, one thing I do find about the
Americans in the middle I guess, of society, is that
they're so willing to accept what's told to them by
media channels, and advertising is very powerful in
this country. Not to say it's not in England, but very
much less so, you know what I mean? People are very,
very critical of the government in England.